Optimized Firefox for the Apple G5 processor

WARNING: This is an unofficial Firefox build and comes with no guarantee that it will work properly. It is built from the same code as the Firefox 1.0 release, and seems to be working fine for the majority of people testing it. That said, this is still an unofficial build, so caveat emptor. I am not responsible if this doesn’t work, screws with your profile, causes blood to pour from your computer’s speakers, renders you impotent, or anything else.

That said, they work for the vast majority of people using it. So give it a shot, and post in the comments if you’ve decided that you love or hate me.

firefoxJanuary 16: I’ve started building optimized Firefox builds from the latest nightly code, so if you’re interested in the latest, greatest, and most probably buggy, check out the latest nightly builds. If you’re interested in the optimized G5 builds which are more stable, download the Firefox 1.0 build linked below.

For the past two weeks or so I have been running a totally kick-ass nightly build of the Mozilla Firefox web browser optimized for the Powerbook G4 processor. Because it was created specifically for my laptop’s CPU, it is noticeably faster than the normal nightly builds. If you use a Powerbook (or iBook G4), you should check it out.

(Edit: I wanted to clarify that Kai Rune is the person responsible for the G4 builds, not me - I’ve seen some misleading linkage on the internets which makes it sound like I built the wonderful G4 version. The G5 builds are 100% my fault, however.)

Now that I own an iMac G5 (which I plan to post more about soon), I figured it would be interesting to see if I could build a version of Mozilla Firefox for the G5 processor.

With help I managed to get a version to build successfully. All of the rampant nerdiness was worth it: Wow, does this build fly on my iMac. For those of you who run a machine with a G5 processor in it (and who use FireFox), give it a try and let me know what you think.

Edited July 7th, 2005: I’ve removed the old links that lead to older, out-of-date Firefox builds. If you’re looking for the most recent G5-optimized Firefox release, this link will always point at the most current release:

Most recent optimized Firefox release: http://www.beatnikpad.com/firefoxG5release

For optimized nightly builds, see this link:

Optimized nightly builds: http://www.beatnikpad.com/firefoxG5

If you install this, let me know what you think (if it works, if it’s faster for you, etc.) by posting in the comments.

Update (July 20): I have created a special BeatnikPad Mozilla / Firefox feed for those of you who are interested in just Firefox and other Mozilla-related updates. See how much I care?

For those of you who want the full BeatnikPad feed (which includes Firefox updates) you can use this feed instead. Enjoy!

(This has been heavily edited to remove old links, out-of-date information, and to generally make this entry a little more useful, seeing how a lot of sites link here.)

Comments

1 | Karen said on November 8, 2004 4:46 AM

It did seem to run a bit quicker for me, and I really like the icon, but it kept "unexpectedly quitting" after I tried to use Password Manager to store my TypeKey password. So often, in fact, that the word "unexpected" seemed totally inappropriate.

It refused to start again after that - even with a restart of the machine, so I had to reinstall the standard version :-(.

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2 | Kevin said on November 8, 2004 7:36 AM

Oh my God, thank you, it flies on my 20" imac!

Send me your paypal addy!

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3 | Michael said on November 8, 2004 7:47 AM

I thought my internet connection was slow. Well, it 's not. It was my browser. This build runs fast and reliable on my machine (10.3.6/Dual 1.8)

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4 | Neil replies: (November 8, 2004 10:00 AM)

Karen, you're probably crashing due to a corrupted signons.txt file - I believe that's where Firefox stores login passwords. I just logged into Typepad with no problems (though I did notice there's an error when the redirect sends you back to my site, though...).

Kevin, no paypal is necessary - just enjoy!

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5 | greyfodder said on November 8, 2004 11:38 AM

WOW! I am so impressed! Just installed on my dual 1.8 and Firefox screams! I am on a new cablemodem provider and thought my connection was just slower(probably is, but now it doesn't matter). Kudos to you! One thing: I miss the new force windows to open in a new tab. That feature is a must have. Any chance of regaing it?

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6 | Roger Johansson said on November 8, 2004 11:41 AM

No problems here, but no noticeable speed increase here (dual 1.8) either. Not that it's really needed. Pages load in a second or so anyway ;)

I love the icon and form widgets though!

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7 | Jeff Wragg said on November 8, 2004 3:58 PM

8 Nov built: Blazingly fast, but it quit working after a while. It wouldn't let me enter text into the address bar. FWIW I've had the same symptom with earlier beta's of Firefox. I trashed everything I could find anywhere with mozilla/firefox/camino in it, and couldn't make the problem stop. So I went back to the current regular build, not the g5 optimized one, and all is well again.

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8 | Kelly said on November 8, 2004 5:57 PM

Call me a dumb@#% but how do you install it for the powerbook version?

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9 | Billlj said on November 8, 2004 7:25 PM

I was interested to try out a faster FireFox but in my case, Firefox crashed as soon as I hit the doewnload button. I am running OS X 3.6 on a G5 1.8 single W/1.5 gigs memory.
I'll try again in a day or two.

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10 | Neil replies: (November 8, 2004 10:36 PM)

Jeff: I've seen this problem sporadically (but not recently), and don't know why this wouldn't work, where the current nightly does as I'm building from the same source. It's possible that there's something wonky going on. I'll keep an eye on it.

Kelly: You have to download the powerbook specific version - it's available from the link in my entry. This build is for G5-equipped machines only.

BillJ: Do you mean your current copy of Firefox crashed when you cicked on the link in my entry?

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11 | Tim West said on November 9, 2004 7:08 AM

what exactly makes it faster than the "normal" builds? G5 specific opts? Just curious.

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12 | ian said on November 9, 2004 7:12 AM

two things that i wish firefox did like safari: 1) automatically decompress all downloads and delete the compressed versions, and 2) i would like to be able to hit tab to get to the submit buttons on forms.

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13 | Udo from germany said on November 9, 2004 10:04 AM

Funtastic, Fast , fully functionable.
The MacOSX Bowser de Luxe*****

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14 | brian said on November 9, 2004 9:21 PM

Wow. This is cool and the form widgets are nice.

The Find bar doesn't work, though. It is really big and the icons are all small and messed up. Does that have something to do with using a weird theme?

thanks

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15 | pieterjan said on November 10, 2004 2:24 AM

Firefox seems to be working fine but sloooow on mi iMac G3 :-(

BTW has anybody imported his bookmarks from Safary and if yes, How?

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16 | Faedera said on November 10, 2004 6:14 AM

How did you compile this? I'm asking because I'd like to compile localized version. Thanks in advance if you answer!

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17 | Jani said on November 10, 2004 9:46 AM

Hmm... An optimized G3 version would be great.

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18 | Neil replies: (November 10, 2004 10:30 AM)

Sorry, I don't own a G3 so I can't build an optimized version for that processor.... and if you're running this specialized build on any processor other that a G5, I highly doubt you're doing yourself any favours. Re-read the title of this entry again. ;)

I just posted instructions on how to localize Firefox here:

http://www.beatnikpad.com/archives/2004/11/10/firefox_localized

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19 | Ghibertii said on November 10, 2004 12:26 PM

I was wondering in some of the specific OS X builds of Firefox, and other browsers using that code base, if the programmerss have looked at optimzing there code using Shark? This would be a great way to speed up Firefox, Camino, etc. Apple just posted a good article on the ADC on this topic.

http://developer.apple.com/tools/sharkoptimize.html

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20 | atom said on November 10, 2004 4:32 PM

Neilio: i have built firefox using G5 optimizations as well. apple ships gcc 3.3 with panther, which is what you used to build this version. according to the GCC website, there are no optimizations for 970/G5 until 3.4. it seems as if apple has added these mcpu flags to their branch in 3.3. my question is, does using these flags actually provide any optimization? i have been hesitant to distribute my builds due to this question i cannot answer.

instead i have spent time attempting to use newer versions of gcc to compile firefox. while i can easily boostrap newer versions of gcc, i am unable to build firefox with these compilers.

also, i do want to point out that you CAN build for other apple processors (G3, G4). just change the optimization flags in your .mozconfig.

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21 | BDK said on November 10, 2004 9:35 PM

How the hell do you install it? I downloaded the 11-10 files on the server and all it is is a bunch of directoies and files.

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22 | Neil replies: (November 10, 2004 9:43 PM)

Atom - I don't know, but I do know that the builds I've done with G5 optimizations are definitely performing better. Scrolling is smoother, pages load just a little bit quicker (up to 3-4 seconds faster, by my stopwatch), and launch time is improved by a couple of seconds. Nothing massive, but still noticeable.

BDK - how are you unpacking the archives? What version of OS X are you running?

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23 | Rik said on November 11, 2004 12:48 AM

Atom, if you use -mcpu=G5 on a G4 or less processor, your program will likely die with SIGILL, illegal instruction error.

So clearly Apple's GCC does use G5 (and G4 if you specify -mcpu=G4) instructions. I have been doing quite a bit of work with Shark lately, and it's very interesting. The one thing that I can't seem to have work properly is loop unrolling. Maybe it's a bug in GCC 3.3, or Apple's version or something. I'll have to contact tech support.

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24 | RM said on November 11, 2004 11:49 AM

Seems faster bit very unstable on my dual 2.5 G5, particularly when going to menu bar.

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25 | silly project said on November 11, 2004 1:13 PM

seriously buggy on my dual g5 1.8 on 10.3.6 -- why build this when it (1) takes away obvious functionality (2) adds bugs to an otherwise stable project

one of the many noticeable bugs only introduced in this G5 version is that my menubar bookmarks are no longer selectable from the pulldown menu -- however, in the official 1.0 release everything works. so -- besides other things mentioned this is unacceptable.

please stop this silly project, you are making firefox look bad!

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26 | Neil replies: (November 11, 2004 1:18 PM)

Um, considering this is built from the Aviary branch, I don't see how this "takes away obvious functionality". It's identical to the release version except for the optimizations.

If you don't like it, don't use it. Simple as that.

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27 | RMr said on November 11, 2004 2:02 PM

Upon further investigation, G5 firefox seems to conflict with URL Manager Pro. G5 firefox crashes when accessing bookmarks from running URLMP. Also when running URLMP if I try to access G5 firefox preferences with menu pull down or contextual menus G5 firefox also crashes. Turn off URLMP and everything seems to be ok. Too bad URLMP is very handy.

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28 | Neil replies: (November 11, 2004 2:20 PM)

RMR- Ahhhh, now that's information I can use. I have built this with Shared Menu support, so as far as I know it should be working properly. Let me install URLMP and see what happens.

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29 | RM said on November 11, 2004 2:34 PM

I'll be waiting with bated breath...

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30 | Neil replies: (November 11, 2004 2:44 PM)

RMR - I just installed URL Manager Pro 3.4.2 and reproduced the crash. I've contacted Alco to see if he has any ideas on why this is happening.

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31 | RM said on November 11, 2004 3:07 PM

Wonderful..no doubt he'll have something useful to offer.

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32 | barb dybwad said on November 11, 2004 3:26 PM

To Jeff and others who've seen the Firefox text entry bug: are you running Codetek Virtual Desktop? If so - there is a suspected bug when operating the two simultaneously:
http://www.versiontracker.com/php/feedback/article.php?story=20040630055835257

I switched to using Desktop Manager and the text entry/URL bar bugs went away completely.

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33 | Mike C said on November 11, 2004 7:51 PM

I corrected that error on my site :)

I built the G4 version on my 1.5 GHz PowerBook G4 and it screams.

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34 | anachron said on November 12, 2004 12:59 AM

Dude. This G5 optimized build be HELLA FRIGGIN FAST on my G5 2.0 Dual CPU w/2.0 Phat gigs of the Rizzam.

Finally - after a decade - the Mac has a browser that approaches the speed of IE running on a very fast WIndoze box.

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35 | J. said on November 12, 2004 6:28 AM

I like to build a version for my g3-800 but i don't kwow what optimization flags to change in the .mozconfig file.

Does anyone have an example .mozconfig file for building on a iBook G3-800?

Thanx

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36 | Neil replies: (November 12, 2004 8:47 AM)

J - try reading the documentation on this page:

http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/DevToolsJun2003/gcc-1435/AppleReleaseNotes.html

It's where I found the information that helped to create these builds.

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37 | CraigyP said on November 12, 2004 12:09 PM

Well, I have to say that I've tried this on my 1GHz G4 12" PowerBook, and this G4 build of Firefox is noticably quicker. The speed improvements seem to be throughout - page load times, moving between tab times, everything!

I read somewhere that each of the various browsers has something unique to offer, and its deciding which one of these unique features most appeals to you that should decide which browser to use by default. Safari is OS X native (and therefore uses great technologies such as Keychain, etc.). Camino is also OS X native, but attempts to have a have 'the features that Apple forgot'. Firefox is good if you want the same browsing experience and UI, no matter what platform you're running it on. Great for Windows and Linux where there aren't many native technologies to exploit, but not so great on OS X - so Firefox on OS X doesn't even get the native ability to spell check in text boxes (something that every native OS X app gets by default). It also means that Firefox isn't going to be super-fast optimised for any platform. Probably more work has been done on the Windows version. OS X users are probably getting simply a re-compiled-for-OS X version with little or no optimisation for some of our platform's native abilities.
These G4 and G5 optimised builds using the latest GCC compiler are definitely a step in the right direction to getting a much more optimised OS X version.

Swings and roundabouts. It just so happens that Firefox has impressed me enough now to tip the balance, and I've made it my default browser over Safari. My one niggling concern was its speed, and now that doesn't seem to be a problem.

Well done!

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38 | robBrown said on November 12, 2004 12:39 PM

Absolutely flies on an iMac G5 !!! Loads Apple's homepage in <2 seconds!!!

But... you've accidently put excess data in with the .dmg file.

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39 | pronnie said on November 12, 2004 1:43 PM

It runs like a dream on my PM G5 1,6. Good work and thank you. I hope that Apple will work with OpenSource in a positive way in the future.

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40 | Karen said on November 12, 2004 4:54 PM

It turned out that it was the URL Manager Pro/G5 Firefox incompatibility that was causing the crashes that I was seeing too.

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41 | Steven said on November 12, 2004 7:47 PM

I love the speed of this build on my dual G5. However, I'm having an issue where the browser history disappears after 1 day (should be the default of 9 days). Has anyone else seen this behavior?

Thanks!

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42 | Vegasman said on November 12, 2004 8:51 PM

Just installed g5 version and found a substantial speed increase. Works fine no problems with drop down menus. I'm on a g5 1.8 with 1 GB memory using 10.3.5.

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43 | Schlaefer said on November 13, 2004 5:39 AM

I build a optimized ppc750 Version for my iBook G3 800. It feels snappier, but i think it is not really worth the effort.

Have fun: http://schlaefer.macbay.de/index.php/Main/FirefoxBuilds

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44 | paul said on November 13, 2004 11:14 AM

g5 build is great! but the scroll wheel button on my mouse can't open up new tabs when clicking on links. other than that i love it!

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45 | Martin said on November 14, 2004 3:41 AM

History didn´t work for me in the G5 optimized version. History works in the official release.

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46 | Brian said on November 14, 2004 3:06 PM

Why doesn't history work?

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47 | Frank K. said on November 15, 2004 6:30 PM

I'm also having the history problem mentioned in comments #41 and #45. I have a G5 Dual 2.0 GHz (2004) with 4.5 GB of RAM. I have the Web Developer Extension, Gmail Notifier, BugMeNot, and CopyImage extensions installed. I'll try disabling them, to see if there might be a conflict there.

My history is fine in the official build and with the PowerBook G4 build.

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48 | justdaniel said on November 16, 2004 2:21 PM

Wow … thanks … great on my 20" iMac G5 … I trade online and time is often of the essence … sites that took 6 or 7 seconds to display now pop up in a second or 2 … bless you

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49 | Steven said on November 16, 2004 4:39 PM

I tried creating a new profile... but I still have the history problem. Whenever you relaunch the G5 build of firefox almost all of the history gets wiped out... leaving just several entries. Anyone have any ideas on how we might solve this?

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50 | Neil replies: (November 16, 2004 5:52 PM)

Steven - there seems to be some bugs in the G5 optimizations that I have no clue how to fix. One thing I need to try is redoing my build but with OS 10.2.8 support, as I have a feeling this is what is causing the problem.

But, there also could be bugs in the gcc G5 optimizations, too. One other known problem with these builds is that they don't play at all with URL Manager Pro. I'll try seeing what I can do about running a new build with earlier OS support and see if that fixes the issues.

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51 | Steven said on November 16, 2004 9:28 PM

Thanks for the reply! I love the speed of your build and bet a lot of people will use it full-time once the history stuff gets figured out. Keep us posted as to whether the 10.2.8 support makes a difference. Are there different gcc versions to try as well (tiger pre-release xcode)?

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52 | John said on November 27, 2004 11:50 PM

Any idea why the build of 11/25 expands as a document and not an app?

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53 | Jody said on November 29, 2004 3:41 AM

I get the same problem as John - just end up with a file ending in d99d6. What should i do with this file? i must need to do some further expansion, as an .app is a folder, whereas this definitely isn't.

HELP!

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54 | Neil replies: (November 29, 2004 11:09 AM)

There's something screwy with Apple's iDisk. I uploaded all of these files as bzipped disk images, and for some reason their system changes them to binhex files.

I've moved the files out of the iDisk "file sharing" area and am linking to them differently, so these should now work. The 11-25 build has a few bug fixes and UI tweaks that were rolled in after Firefox 1.0 was released, but is otherwise the same as the release version.

There's also a nightly build from 11-22 up there, for the truly daring.

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55 | zach said on November 30, 2004 4:01 AM

Unfortunately now we just get a not-found from .Mac themselves.

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56 | Neil replies: (November 30, 2004 7:45 AM)

Fixed. .Mac has a LOT of issues with long file names, and file names which have dots in them. Off I go to file bugs with Apple...

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57 | dclamster said on November 30, 2004 2:43 PM

The G5 version does not open correctly on my computer. It gives a screen that says "dialogue" and nothing else. Any ideas?

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58 | Robert Lespérance said on December 4, 2004 9:14 AM

Hello,

I have just find out the G5 version of FireFox. I downloaded it and only get on opening a small window with 2 colored terminal command. Does someboby know what is going wrong ???

Robert

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59 | Sathya said on December 5, 2004 10:43 PM

Same problem here. Launched Firefox -get a small window displaying two commands with apparent apparent errors :

<window id="main-window"
^

<command id="cmd_delete"
----^

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60 | Neil replies: (December 6, 2004 12:06 AM)

Which version are you downloading - the "official" release version, or the builds based on the nightly build code?

The nightly build code is very flaky right now and not really recommended. If you're having this problem with the release version build, it could be an extension problem. I have no problems getting these to launch on my system, for what it's worth.

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61 | RM said on December 6, 2004 10:34 AM

Same here as Sathya and Lespa.

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62 | Neil replies: (December 6, 2004 11:49 AM)

Okay, I just uploaded a new copy of the 11-25 build, as I assume this is the one that people have been having problems with. This, and the trunk build, are the only two that have changed recently.

If anyone who was having problems with the previous build can try again and post their observations, that would be splendid...

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63 | CMason said on December 6, 2004 7:07 PM

Thank you for the great app but this latest build you just put up will not open up :( It says unknown file compression.

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64 | kylan said on December 7, 2004 1:41 AM

I got the same error as comment #58 when trying to use the 11-25 build (this was yesterday, haven't tried the new one yet).

Just a quick question, Neilio: is the history bug still present in this build?

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65 | kylan said on December 7, 2004 1:51 AM

Update: The new 11-25 that was uploaded works fine -- no more errors on startup. Haven't been able to check whether history bug is completely solved yet, though.

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66 | RM said on December 7, 2004 6:26 PM

The new 11-25 download now works for me. It also appears the URL Manager Pro crash is fixed...hasn't crashed on me yet using URLMP.

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67 | RM said on December 8, 2004 9:06 AM

I may have spoken too soon. Upon further use, the new 11-25 build is still unstable with URLM--it still crashes, but better than the old build--but not immediately.

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68 | laurent said on December 8, 2004 1:22 PM

Just wondering ... What about doing a build with IBM xlc compiler ? Is that even possible ? I remember reading somewhere that IBM compiler was producing quite faster code for G5 than GCC 3.3

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69 | laurent briet said on December 8, 2004 7:53 PM

what about using the IBM xl compiler to generate a optimize build of firefox for G5 ?
From what I've read, the code produce by it is quite faster than the one GCC produces ?

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70 | kylan said on January 5, 2005 4:42 PM

Any updates coming or expected? Now that the nightlies have fixed/added the feature for middle click to close tabs I would really love an optimized version if you have the time. A fix for the history bug would also be greatly appreciated :)

Thanks for your time and effort!

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71 | viclio said on January 15, 2005 3:56 AM

This build is really faster than the original. I have a very few problems but sometimes Firefox gets incredibly slow and eats almost all the cpu power (on a G5 dual 2,5ghz

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72 | Pausanias said on February 10, 2005 9:23 PM

History bug is a total bummer. Took me a while to trace it back to this build, too.

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73 | think_mac said on February 28, 2005 3:22 AM

Just workin great and very fast, no bugs at all (till now), and even history works as it should!
Using the latest build, 10.3.8 and a single G5 1.8 (first generation build)

I would be thrilled if a german localised v 1.0.1 could be released...

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74 | Tom said on March 5, 2005 5:23 AM

The widgets are a different size to the standard firefox widgets, some of my sites now look all funny. Is there a way to make it use the standard firefox form widgets?

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75 | Austin said on March 22, 2005 2:16 PM

Now that you have eliminated the bugs in the nightly version, do you think you could redo the official 1.01 release?

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76 | Teridon said on July 14, 2005 8:56 AM

Middle clicking links doesn't work in this build for me (nothing at all happens), but it works fine in the official release version (i.e. links open in a new tab.

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77 | Chris said on July 22, 2005 7:51 PM

Hi all not nativly speaking People out there. I you loved to get your G5-Firefox build to be in your language just read on!

There are so called MLP where you can get a *.xpi File that mostly is offered for windows but they also do work with MACs (actually they are normal zips. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/l10n/

I took the german MLP Project and downloaded the de_DE.xpi for Firefox 1.0.6 from their offical website (http://www.firefox-browser.de/). Witin Firefox you need to open the XPI File and install it this way. Afterwards you can start your firefox with using "-contentLocale de-DE -UILocale de-DE". Spanish localization would look like this "-contentLocale es-ES -UILocale es-ES" (if you installed the spanish XPI. But starting Firefox this way is not very practical. So i just added a little bash Script that looks like this:

#!/bin/bash
./firefox_de -contentLocale de-DE -UILocale de-DE

This Bash Script must be located whereever your Firefox is located. But be carefull! If you are searching via Spotlight for "Firefox" you will get as location: /Applications

But when you use the Terminal to have a closer look at firefox you will quickly see that the Applications itself are all Directorys with some more stuff in it. For Example the Firefox Executable is located in "/Applications/firefox.app/Contents/MacOS". This is also the place where to place your bash script. I would suggest to rename your firefox binary to firefox_{yourISOshortcus} (for germany: firefox_de). Then add write and save your bash script as firefox and 'chmod' it the right way (chmod -755 firefox).

Thats all for a german G5 optimized Firefox. Sounds a lot but i tried to be precise. This all took me about 10 min to find out and to implemt. I think its less than a minute if you did it once.

Have fun all out there!!!

Greets,

Chris

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78 | Herouth said on August 30, 2005 12:35 PM

The link you posted gives a 404. It should have a lowercase g.

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79 | joe said on October 20, 2005 1:51 PM

wow, that the thing!

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